[Avodah] Blowing The Shofar At The End Of Tefillath N`ilah

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And I would give a similar answer when talking about muqtza or even
the actual blowing of the shofar at the end of ne'ilah. Even
without being definitely after tzeis, I believe it would be mutar
because it's a derabbanan bein hashemashos (safeiq derabbanan added
to) letzorekh mitzvah.

What mitzvah? Only once every 50 years is there a commandment to blow
the shofar on Yom Kippur. We blow it every year to commemorate the
Jubilee year of ancient, and future, times (parenthetically, the
blowing of the shofar on the Jubilee year was apparently that year's
most salient feature, since the Torah uses the term "yovel" as the
name for the year). But this commemoration is not, strictly speaking,
a commandment, not even a Rabbinic commandment, since if it were it
would be preceded by a benediction.


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What mitzvah? Only once every 50 years is there a commandment
to blow the shofar on Yom Kippur. We blow it every year to
commemorate the Jubilee year of ancient, and future, times ...
But this commemoration is not, strictly speaking, a commandment,
not even a Rabbinic commandment, since if it were it would be
preceded by a benediction.

I think the next step might be to look into which other practices (if any) might override muktzeh, and in particular, what other practices (if any) might override muktzeh during bein shmashos.

The first that comes to my mind is that we do NOT take the aravos when Hoshana Rabba falls on Shabbos. And in fact, this avoidance is so important that the calendar specifically and officially includes a rule to prevent this situation from coming up. And this is despite the fact that Arava on Hoshana Rabba is much more of a mitzva than the shofar at Neilah ever was.

On the other hand, it would be on Shabbos itself, rather than "merely" Bein Hashmashos, so it does not illuminate to topic of this shofar blast very much. Perhaps it might be helpful to look into various practices which one might be allowed to directly ask a non-Jew to perform during Bein Hashmashos.

What mitzvah?

I would suggest that it is quite legitimate to ask exactly WHAT mitzvah is being accomplished here. However, the assertion that there is indeed SOME sort of mitzvah does seem to be a foregone conclusion, at least in the view of the Mishne Berurah 623:12, who writes: "Even if it is Bein Hashmashos this is allowed, for it is a Sh'vus L'Tzorech Mitzvah; but if it is Vadai Yom, it is forbidden to blow [the shofar]."

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[Micha Berger via Avodah]

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 11:43:53AM -0300, via Avodah wrote:
: > And I would give a similar answer when talking about muqtza or even
: > the actual blowing of the shofar at the end of ne'ilah. Even
: > without being definitely after tzeis, I believe it would be mutar
: > because it's a derabbanan bein hashemashos (safeiq derabbanan added
: > to) letzorekh mitzvah.
:
: What mitzvah? ...

This wouldn't be the only place where following minhag would be deemed
letzorekh mitzvah. For that matter, shevus letzorekh mitzvah is only
on part of a general category of loopholes -- hefsed meruba (and "meruba"
here is looser than usual) is also on the list.

I think you're over-analyzing the words of an idiom.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

[Zev Sero via Avodah]

On 14 October 2014 15:56, Micha Berger via Avodah <avodah at lists.aishdas.org>

Post by Micha Berger via Avodah
: What mitzvah? ...
This wouldn't be the only place where following minhag would be
deemed letzorekh mitzvah.

Indeed, a minhag is also a mitzvah. It's not as if there's any real
prohibition involved, that would require a real mitzvah de'oraisa to
override it. Blowing shofar on Shabbos is not a melacha, it's not a
shvus, it's barely prohibited at all, so a minhag is also good enough
to override it. And once we need it it's not muktzeh any more.

Hoshanos would be forbidden on Shabbos, if HR were allowed to fall then,
not because of muktzeh but because of Gezera Derabba. And since it's
only a minhag, if we skipped it one year it might be forgotten forever.
So we make sure that can't happen.